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A Friend (IRL, an acquaintance) posted in his LJ:
Well, I'm not an Iraqi mother trying to comfort her children right now. She must be the most sorrowful creature on the planet right now.
I didn't want to respond there, because it would've sounded crass, but I don't agree. The most sorrowful creatures on the planet are suffering in countries where there are no reporters "embedded" in platoons or holed up in hotels in the capital waiting for footage of aerial bombardment. The EU is not meeting to discuss reconstruction of their devastated homelands and there isn't a raft of NGOs waiting to play watchdog during the occupation. The world has forgotten them, and they know it.

Cold comfort to the Iraqis, of course, but worth keeping in mind as we focus minutely on one trouble spot on a troubled globe.
Date: 2003-03-20 09:47 pm (UTC)

Re: pitiful

From: [identity profile] darkphuque.livejournal.com
You wrote: << How about you? Do you pay more attention to news of drive-bys in Oakland than you do to reports of fagbashings in the Castro? Why?>>
*I* pay more attention to issues in the Castro. Why? Because its my neighborhood.
You are right...I chose to use the actions of the Sudan, because *I* am more familiar with them.
However, Its not dissimilar... we support Thailand and they have sexual conscripts...girls sold by their parents to be slaves. We do nothing about it...why?

OTOH, no one is selling the Christians to the Sudanese
Slavers. The Muslim Sudanese are going and destroying Christian communities, taking the young people and selling them. I don't think the Thai's are raiding villages looking for sex slaves to kidnap and sell.

Our government is very aware of what is going on in the Sudan. They are turning a blind eye…why?

BTW, its good to be back in contact...


Turkey refuses to 'fes up to the Greco-Armenian Genocide. The USA refuses to recognize the Anatolian Genocide because it would make an "ally" angry. Some ally, eh?
Date: 2003-03-21 08:09 am (UTC)

Re: pitiful

From: [identity profile] bunj.livejournal.com
You may want to check out an article from last week's Economist (available at their website: www.economist.com) entitled "Feeling America's fly-whisk". It only talks briefly about Sudan, but it does say that pressure from America (mostly because of terrorism) is bringing the different forces to the bargaining table. It's a start.
Date: 2003-03-21 08:55 am (UTC)

Re: pitiful

From: [identity profile] darkphuque.livejournal.com
Perhaps you are right.

I think that the reality here is that our foreign policy, is opportunistic.
If you have a strategic position like Turkey, or oil like Saudi Arabia, then you get lots of financial help, and it doesn’t matter if you rape and pillage, commit genocide, throw homosexuals out of helicopters, or sell
Christians as slaves. You have something we need and so we turn a blind eye. The rest of the world may know, see, hear, and vocally express its ire, but the good old US of A neither sees, nor hears nor cares about the screams of the tortured. Its ok if you let our military live on your soil, or you give us your natural resources.

One the strategic positioning of your country is gone, and the resources have dried up, your government become "oppressive" and it is necessary to "topple your government", "free" your people", and bring the "light of democracy" to your mud huts, and your illiterate peasants.

This system gets us what we need. Maybe that’s all that counts…gee, I hope not.


Date: 2003-03-25 07:59 am (UTC)

Re: pitiful

From: [identity profile] muckefuck.livejournal.com
I think you may have touched on one of the fundamental contraversies in political science: Engagement or isolation? When there's a regime doing thing you don't like, do you oppose and undermine it; contain and isolate it; or engage it and hope to exert a beneficial influence? If the USA were truly totally opportunistic, I don't think it would pressure Turkey, China, and Egypt, to pick some egregious offenders, on human rights as they do. (The case of Turkey is an especially striking argument for engagement: When the EU holds out hope of membership, it moves to clean up its act; when it doesn't, Turkey backslides.)

Another problem is that a lot of our foreign policy is hostage to special interest groups. The Anti-Castro Cubans are one of the most powerful examples of this, but hardly the only one; a strong Armenian lobby in the USA has hampered aid and involvement in Azerbaijan--with its tremendous underexploited reserves of oil--for instance. Domestic political considerations like these also help prevent foreign policy from being as consistent or as rights-based as we'd like it to be.

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