Two questions for cassielsander on his newest entry

[muckefuck]

1. What are you saying? It would be a challenge to find two countries with more divergent experiences of democracy than the USA and Ukraine.
2. Why have you disabled comments? Because you're not making an insinuations you care to defend, you're just thinking aloud?

Comments

[welcomerain.livejournal.com]

Just in case you forgot, cassielsander didn't go to the University of Chicago.

[muckefuck.livejournal.com]

But he reads The Economist! Do graduates of little hippy-dippy liberal colleges in the Midwestern backwoods really do that, too?

[welcomerain.livejournal.com]

I dunno, neither of us went to a little hippy-dippy liberal college in the Midwestern backwoods.

[gopower.livejournal.com]

The same observation occurred to me (and many others, I'm sure) when reading the stories about the Ukraine vote and exit polls, though perhaps not the same insinuation.

Given the miserable failure of exit polls in the U.S., it's thin gruel to try to base a vote fraud story based on exit polls in a much less experienced democracy. To repeat the charge made by Ukrainian pols without even mentioning the recent U.S. case shows the how obtuse and/or ignorant the media are.

even if

[arkanjil.livejournal.com]

certian studies in the US show explicitly the deviation between exit polls and real vote counts was significantly higher where untrackable e-voting terminals were used? Well, allegedly, anyways; the media has better things to cover these days, je?

Jimmy Carter in a preelection interview said, no, his group wouldn't possibly try to certifiy the US election like they had in 62 other countries because of (among other things) the skeweed financial system, the county by county voting mechanisms, and of course, the untraceable e-voting terminals. Even in India, you can get a receipt...

Re: even if

[gopower.livejournal.com]

With all due respect, I haven't seen anything approaching a "study" worthy of the name that makes such claims about the U.S. exit polls. Regardless, three facts undermine any such theory:

1. The exit polls were wrong across the board, suggesting it was the polls and not the vote count that was flawed.

2. Many of the allegedly suspect counties were run by Democrats (just as were all the troubled Florida counties in 2000) giving them no discernible motive to throw the election to Bush.

3. The people with the most to gain from credible election fraud charges -- national and wannabe Democratic leaders -- aren't making them.

As for Jimmy Carter, the fact that he would list campaign finance, which has absolutely nothing to do with counting votes, as a problem in certifying the results only proves what a parody of himself that he has become.

Re: even if

[gopower.livejournal.com]

Which is not to say, of course, that there wasn't massive vote fraud in the Ukraine. Just that exit polls alone do not prove it.