Feb. 14th, 2003

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Here's my attempt to go map [livejournal.com profile] rollick's exchange with Miller. It's a little rough, but it gives you an idea how space-building is hypothesised to work.

The Onion: Who could you take in a fight?

This sentence sets up two spaces: The Base space, which includes the element m (Miller) and a Possibility space, with the element m', corresponding to m in the base space. (The use of could rather than can implies hypotheticalness: I know you don't fight, but if you did, who could you beat? The linguistic term for this special use of past tense is distal.) The P space also hosts a property FIGHT (short for "take in a fight") and a set of elements x, such that the truth value of m' FIGHT x is T.
Frank Miller: [Laughs.] Let's see. Give me a second. I'd say Little Lulu.

Here, Miller supplies the value "Little Lulu" for x. Cultural knowledge tells us that Little Lulu is a fictional figure; to the degree that she is an entity who could participate in a fight, it's in an Imaginary space. The I space doesn't have counterparts for everything in the real world (i.e. roughly speaking, the B space); there's no element corresponding to m. So how do we make sense of such a response?
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O: You say you could take her in a fight, but you're not familiar with her mythos? What if she has powers you're not aware of?

Here, [livejournal.com profile] rollick chooses to set up an Imaginary Possibility space that blends the I space ("the Little Lulu mythos") with the P space. As I said before, for our purposes, it doesn't really matter whether this is an imaginary world where Miller is also a cartoon figure or where Little Lulu is a real person. The point is, it has to be such a world where the property FIGHT can apply to both. This space has counterparts for elements in both the I and P spaces (i.e. m'' and l'), but inherits the structure of the P space (i.e. m' FIGHT x) to yield the structure m'' FIGHT l', i.e. "Miller takes Little Lulu in a fight". Using her background knowledge of Little Lulu's characteristics in the I space and Miller's characteristics in the B space (all of which carry over into the IP space unless explicitly negated), she attempts to evaluate the truth value of the proposition.

FM: Well, she doesn’t exist. She’s just lines on paper. If you want to go along those lines, I’ll just say I could take Galactus.

...and then Miller comes along and negates all this space-building! He returns to the B space, where Little Lulu "exists" only as lines drawn on paper, and projects a counterpart of this entity--still only lines on paper--into the P space. By denying the existence of the I space, Miller explicitly blocks the carry-over of Little Lulu's fictonal characteristics into any space where he has a counterpart. But, as [livejournal.com profile] rollick later noted, interpreting the statement m' FIGHT l'' in the P space is only possible if one reinterprets the meaning of FIGHT:
O: I suppose you could erase him.
FM: Paper rips.

Erasing a picture of someone or tearing it up is not a typical example of "fighting". As a metaphorical extension, it's not without precedent. (We speak of "fighting" inanimate objects all the time.) This, of course, opens another can o' worms, since "fight" is not a classical category and exhibits prototype effects, etc. And I'd have to bring in Gricean maxims and other types of background assumptions to explain why [livejournal.com profile] rollick and [livejournal.com profile] flagpolesitta view Miller's switcheroo negatively. For another time...

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