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muckefuck ([personal profile] muckefuck) wrote2013-03-19 08:18 pm
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Alternative Iraq

In his journal, [livejournal.com profile] fengi laments the dearth of mentions of the War in Iraq on this, the tenth anniversary of its commencement. I was going to let it slide because, frankly, I don't have anything interesting to say about it, and I doubt the majority of my flist do either. Most of the commentary I have seen is rather light on content, or focuses on the stateside effects of the war.

But there is one thing about which I wonder what opinions people have and that is: What do you think Iraq would look like today if the US and its allies had not invaded a decade ago? Who would be in power and with what sort of legitimacy? What would its domestic situation and foreign relations look like, who would be better off and who would be worse?

If someone has links to informed articles addressing this (whether you agree with their conclusions or not) please share them.
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[identity profile] arkanjil.livejournal.com 2013-03-20 01:33 am (UTC)(link)
The Atlantic has been posting big photo retrospectives in their In Focus section from 10 years gone, and it's harrowing to think of what all of those pictured went through since then. But as to what might have been? Who can say, through the haze of ethnic cleansing, atrocities, bombings, the trillions spent on no one really knows what, the atrocities on all sides- and the Arab Spring. What's done is done...

But to boil it down to the bitter marrow: I dont think there are many who'd say we are any safer now than we were back then.

[identity profile] mallorys-camera.livejournal.com 2013-03-20 11:20 am (UTC)(link)
What an interesting question.

I did the same Google search everyone else can do and came up with this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/nov/05/ifiraqhadnthappened

[identity profile] bunj.livejournal.com 2013-03-20 03:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Ten years is a long time to predict what would have happened in a country. One of the reasons why the weapons of mass destruction threat was believed was because it was so believable. It's possible that Hussein would have done something to warrant an invasion in that decade (killing his own people, invading another country, threatening neighbors). If the war in Afghanistan had gone more-or-less the same, the US may have been reluctant to act, though (see the current situation in Syria). He also could have died, leaving one of his psycho sons in charge or setting off a power struggle. If nothing else, I think the Arab Spring would have started a civil war similar to what's happening in Syria (and I see no reason why the Arab Spring would not have happened).

I don't think Iraq would have gotten through the decade unchanged. No Middle Eastern country has, and I don't think the Iraq war is entirely to blame. I also have a hard time believing that the Iraqis would be much better off than they are now, although I don't think they'd be much worse off. Fewer may have died, but I find that hard to predict. Like I said, Iraq wouldn't have emerged unchanged, and I can't imagine change in Iraq without bloodshed. If Hussein were around now, he'd be acting like Assad - brutally murdering his citizens to stay in power.
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