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muckefuck ([personal profile] muckefuck) wrote2005-12-08 03:09 pm
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If it's smoke you hate, ban cars!

Those of you interested in discussion of Chicago's new comprehensive smoking ban and its relationship to civil rights could do worse than to check out Issue Chick's most recent rant and the ensuing commentary--in particular, the comments of [livejournal.com profile] phaedrusdeinus (some of which are conveniently located at the top of the page). At the risk of doing violence to his arguments, I'll attempt to briefly summarise one of them: A ban this sweeping can only be justified on health grounds. However, if health is the issue, then why wasn't it dealt with in the same way as other health issues, like food quality, i.e. by setting minimum standards and then leaving it up individual proprietors to determine how best to meet them, rather than by attempting to legislate behaviour?

[livejournal.com profile] shawnwrites also has an intriguing idea in the form of a smoking license, which doesn't really address the underlying rights issues, but allows for more individual choice than the ban while at the same time putting more money in the pockets of the revenue department.

[identity profile] mollpeartree.livejournal.com 2005-12-09 05:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Read this person making a series of grievances out of smokers complying with indoor smoking bans, and despair. I certainly did. My emergency plan at this point is to give up and relocate to Tijuana.

[identity profile] muckefuck.livejournal.com 2005-12-09 06:24 pm (UTC)(link)
They disappear to have a fag before things like meetings or presentations or reviews, so that you can never find them to discuss last minute details, and then they disappear afterwards so that you can't discuss how things went.
Bullshit! You could do those things easily, you'd just have to--gasp!--step outside with them.

Of course, the whole list is like that.