Liberals of all parties, unite!

[muckefuck]

princeofcairo is fond of saying "Never underestimate the anti-Semitism of the Left." He's seen the extremes meet on this topic far, far too many times.

mollpeartree is fond of saying, "Never underestimate the sexism of the Left." She's seen way too many instances in her time.

I think I've seen enough homophobia, classism, racism, and general inflexibility among soi-disant "liberals" to generalise this to "Never underestimate the intolerance of the Left" and be done with it.

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[muckefuck.livejournal.com]

but if you get to bundle Communism as a 'liberal' ideology, do I get to score points by counting fascism as conservative?

Be my guest. My only intention was to counter your charge that only one chunk of the ideological spectrum has a monopoly on the Us vs. Them mentality. If you can't see how shot through with Marxist class-warfare rhetoric "liberal" screed is...well, then, I'm not sure you'll ever see what I'm getting at.

I didn't "forget" the Republican tactics in the last election, I just dispute that they were anywhere near as effective as many homosexual activists are saying they were. (BTW, what's with the link? I can't find "gay" anywhere on that page.) A lot of people leapt to conclusions based on the media's misreading of misleading poll data and ignored the revised interpretations of a week later.

The reason I identify as an Independent is that I've got way too many problems with both parties. Take corporate welfare. We're on the same page regarding the egregious damage it causes. But can you demonstrate to me that the Democrats benefit any less from it and have any more incentive to cut back on it than the Republicans? The reason Bush's No Lobbyist Left Behind bills have been sailing through Congress is that they give Democrats plenty of time at the trough as well. (The new transportation bill is a good example. It was signed in the heart of a state with a grand total of one Republican in elected statewide office.)

No middle-of-the-road Republicans? What do you call Schwarzenegger? The Illinois Republicans recently demonstrated what happens when you run a rabid social conservative out here--you get your ass handed to you in a 70%/27% landslide.

[arkanjil.livejournal.com]

I'd say Us vs Them is much more human than political; but I would assert that conservative movments explicitly utilize it far more often. The nationalist movemnts that sweapt the world post cold war, as an example. I do not that I do have a personal blind spot for economic 'class warfare' -b ut then my faith on our overall socioeconomic system is not so great; I have a great suspicion that a few weeks a of living on minimum wage would change the tune of a number of your conservative friends...

The link was meant to highlight the scaremongering attitude of ShrubCo, not to really address their use of the gay marriage issue. Overall, I agree that the gay marriage thing wasn't a huge issue overall, but it was just enough of an incendiary, when applied in just the right places. Over and over, post election coverage pointed to the large evangelical vote that Shrub rode in on- that they would have voted for him anyways is without question, but in such numbers without prodding, is very doubtful.

Small things really do make the difference these days, ya know: if Tom Delay hadn't bought himself a pliant and Republican Texas Legislature, he'd not have gotten his special redistricting package passed, and there'd be 5 more Democratic seats in the House.

Schwarzenager, i call.. hurrr. He makes me itch, but not for being republican. In two crucial aspects, he fails my middle of the road test- the first being that he's still more of an actor than a politition. And the base hypocracy of demanding full open reform, while still showing a penchant for back room deals and special interest largess- in too many uncomfortable ways, he comes off being bought and owned nature of other famous republican figureheads like Reagan and Shrub. If his intial election hadn't been so politically based, i probably would have voted for him, but now... we'll see come next election.

Small quiblings- but he's still more actor than politition...